Wednesday, July 22, 2009

See what the water worry warts say...

I decided to throw myself into a discussion at the site on this article. The article no longer appears on the Miner's site as of this moment because it has been bumped off the page due to the fact it came out last Friday. Thought I'd share a little of the 'friendly' banter.

First here is my entrance to the thread...

Posted: Tuesday, July 21, 2009
Article comment by: Todd Tarson

13 million acre feet of water in the aquifers according to the last USGS survey/report in 2005.

100 years worth of water for a population of over 300,000 people.

Currently there is plenty of water... and no jobs.

This entry was in response to some comments that I cut and pasted the other day for a blog post. Mainly just throwing out some facts as they appear in official looking reports concerning water availability, and my own conclusions about the current state of the economy as compared to the apparent abundance of water. Nothing personal against any of the anonymous commenter's.

So here is the first response, from a fellow Realtor (I think).

Posted: Tuesday, July 21, 2009
Article comment by: No name provided

[Deleted -- Read Terms of Use]. Believe it or not folks there are realtors out there that want only smart growth. The kind of growth that supports a bright future for Moohave County and not growth that only allows growth and profit to a small handfull of developers. When you look for a realtor look for the enlightned ones that know that our water supply is the only link to a real secure future and the sustainabilty of property values here in Kingman.
That's not good marketing. If I was an actual 'enlightned' Realtor, I'd include that in all of my communications online, including blog comments (I'd also spell it right).

Beyond that, if indeed the water underground is the only link to a real secure future here in 'Moohave' County then we must conclude that the future is not very bright. As you will see other commenter's have posted that the aquifers are in depletion as it is right now. Meaning that eventually ALL the water will be gone. When though?? That is an elusive answer to an obvious question. One that I have been asking for quite some time.

Oh and by the way for the record, I support profit and growth (otherwise known as opportunity) for everyone -- including a handful of developers.

Lastly for this one... how's being anti-growth working out for property values??

If you click on the link above you will see another post that I entered, but I'm not going to delve further into that one for this blog post. Below, my real fan club chimed in...

Posted: Wednesday, July 22, 2009
Article comment by: willie

Dont you justr love someone that is in Planning and Zoning, that cant read the abstract in the U.S.G.S. report it states that the Hualapai Aquifer is in depletion. It's right in the beginning. Before you pick and choose what you want to write please open your computer and go to the U.S.G.S. site and it clearly states the problems in the Aquifer's. Remember once the water is gone it is gone folks. Just read Jack's response and his correct figures. Just look at the 2006 report #10. Remember the County paid 100,000. of taxpayer's money to go towards this report. It almost reminds me that per Sun West Biofuels comment Biodiesel plants dont explode - anyone read the Biodiesel plant explosion in Chicago - I guess Sun West didnt either!
Actually, I can read an abstract just fine... I just haven't found one that says what 'willie' says it says... so far anyway. Here are a couple of abstracts I found...


Ground-water levels for water year 2006 and their change over time in Detrital, Hualapai, and Sacramento Valley Basins of northwestern Arizona were investigated to improve the understanding of current and past ground-water conditions in these basins. The potentiometric surface for ground water in the Basin-Fill aquifer of each basin is generally parallel to topography. Consequently, ground-water movement is generally from the mountain front toward the basin center and then along the basin axis toward the Colorado River or Lake Mead. Observed water levels in Detrital, Hualapai, and Sacramento Valley Basins have fluctuated during the period of historic water-level records (1943 through 2006). In Detrital Valley Basin, water levels in monitored areas have either remained the same, or have steadily increased as much as 3.5 feet since the 1980s. Similar steady conditions or water-level rises were observed for much of the northern and central parts of Hualapai Valley Basin. During the period of historic record, steady water-level declines as large as 60 feet were found in wells penetrating the Basin-Fill aquifer in areas near Kingman, northwest of Hackberry, and northeast of Dolan Springs within the Hualapai Valley Basin. Within the Sacramento Valley Basin, during the period of historic record, water-level declines as large as 55 feet were observed in wells penetrating the Basin-Fill aquifer in the Kingman and Golden Valley areas; whereas small, steady rises were observed in Yucca and in the Dutch Flat area.
Maybe you can find where it says what 'willie' says it says. The other abstract that I found on the USGS site is quite a bit longer so I won't cut and paste, but feel free to give it a look. I can't find anything about depletion of aquifers particular to Mohave County at the beginning of the report -- maybe you can. Color me not convinced, but please send me a link that backs up 'willie'. I'd be happy to take a look.

Honestly, I'm not questioning whether or not the aquifers are in depletion. From the report I linked to before, it clearly stated that 11,000 acre feet were being taken out of the aquifers (last reported in 2000) while the same report noted that the aquifer was recharging at 9,000 acre feet a year (last reported in 1986). Yep, sounds like a depletion to me. Assuming those figures are correct and remain steady, the aquifers will be out of water in 6,500 years (approximately). Do the math.

But like 'willie' says, when the water is gone, it is gone.

Next up...

Posted: Wednesday, July 22, 2009
Article comment by: Yep, there is plenty of water


How short sighted can you actually be???? Water is a FINITE resource and to be approached with conservation in mind not "Currently" there is plenty of water..." CURRENTLY is the key word. I guess you beleive that 100 years is ENOUGH? Ill bet your one of those uneducated people who beleive our government will step in and create water when it runs out!! Of course they will...they are doing such a great job at running our country into the ground current day. Im sure they will save our a--- when the water runs out...and it WILL! Maybe we need to start telling the world that Mohave County doesnt protect their own water supply....I wonder how many companies and buyers we will attract then!
I love the -- Mr. Tarson... Realtor. Like that is some kind of bad thing. It isn't.

I'll refer to this commenter as 'Yep', notice how 'Yep' immediately starts in the hostility. Pretty much gives the identity of this commenter away. 'Yep' assumes that I think 100 years worth of water is enough, well... it is for me. I don't think that I'll live to the age of 138. She then assumes I'm one of those uneducated people... and she is right. I'm not a hydrologist, nor do I have any other science degrees. Of course she too says that water WILL run out... but she won't say when. No water worry wart will offer even a guess. They simply are selfish people interested in keeping other people from using 'our' vast water resources.

Here is a serious question... does Mohave County (the government) have a water supply??

I'm not sure what to 'beleive' at this point. But that is why I continue to join the conversation and prolong the discussion. I've learned plenty from those that I seemingly disagree with. I even voted for a county supervisor candidate that no doubt 'Yep' voted for in the last election.

So yesterday I respond with...

Posted: Wednesday, July 22, 2009
Article comment by: Todd Tarson

@ willie @ yep...

Cool, a discussion, sorta.

Anyway kids, perhaps you can help me then. Since I'm so short sighted, uneducated, and illiterate... please inform me, and others, just when will the water dry up down there??


Of course it went unanswered.

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